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4 points by akkartik 5068 days ago | link | parent

id could also mean the mathematical identity function, which arc calls idfn probably because it's a lisp-1 and we want to be able to create locals called id.

Hmm, how about if id was a low-level beast that converted any object into a say ptr type that contained its address. Now instead of (is a b) you'd say:

  (iso id.a id.b)
That seems to me about the right level of verbosity for doing the things is does that iso can't do.


2 points by rocketnia 5068 days ago | link

I agree with that! :)

In Java, everything uses equals() where it can, but then it's not easy to get == behavior when it matters. Technically you can use a wrapper:

  public final class Id
  {
      private Object x;
      public Id( Object x ) { this.x = x; }
      
      public int hashCode() { return System.identityHashCode( x ); }
      public boolean equals( Object obj )
          { return obj instanceof Id && ((Id)obj).x == x; }
  }
I'm digressing, but it would be so much nicer if every object kept a hard reference to its Id wrapper. That way the Id could be used as a WeakHashMap key.[1] Weak tables are one place where comparing keys for anything but reference identity makes no sense. XD

Back in terms of (iso id.a id.b), this would have the observable effect that (iso id.id.a id.id.a) would be true for all a.

[1] Thanks to the hard reference to the Id from its x, the Id itself wouldn't be collected until its x was unreachable too. A Id without such an anchor would potentially be garbage-collected much earlier than its x, and the WeakHashMap entry would be lost. ...Anyway, some of this could be solved by changing the design of WeakHashMap. :)

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1 point by evanrmurphy 5068 days ago | link

I like this! Would the id of a primitive just return itself?

  id.4 ; evaluates to 4 or the address where this 4 is stored?

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3 points by akkartik 5068 days ago | link

I think all we need is that it be a stable value when literal objects are interned. So id.4 would probably never change, and (id "a") would change in common lisp because it creates new strings each time.

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